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why did they read the un charter at the special talk???

by peaches in

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i have been trying to find the answer,,,it does not make sense to me????

anyhelp would be appreciated...thanks.

Life is now

haha Outlaw I was wondering what took you so long.

Peaches, I've just posted this on my original topic about this:

I apologise for this confusion. The way the speaker put his talk across it sounded as if the charter and 1 Thessalonians on peace and security was on the outline and the instructions were not to deviate from this, so I assumed this message was to be the same throughout the world.

I was not at my own congregation so I can't ask the speaker why he did this, but I did phone a member of that congregation today who told me that the speaker had told her that he had given that impression to make people take notice.

I looked on the Watchtower CD under United Nations Charter and found an article in Watchtower 1995 October 1st page 3 where he may have got the idea from as the article contained some of the words, or similar expressions, that he had used. One of these was "notable efforts" which is similar to what I thought I'd heard as "noble sentiments".

I was puzzled by the the fact that (as we assumed) the GB wanted the charter to be read and the lack of criticism of the UN in the talk and so that was why I posted the topic.

Hope this clears up the confusion I've caused for some of you.

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UNITED NATIONS CHARTER read in all congregations at beginning of SPECIAL TALK

by Life is now in

then 1 thessalonians 5 read about 'peace and security'.

the speakers instructed not to embellish the statements.. 'noble sentiments' was mentioned about the un charter but no criticism.. followed by the need for god's kingdom.. it sounded more like an advert for the un to me.

did anyone else hear it?

Life is now

I apologise for this confusion. The way the speaker put his talk across it sounded as if the charter and 1 Thessalonians on peace and security was on the outline and the instructions were not to deviate from this, so I assumed this message was to be the same throughout the world.

I was not at my own congregation so I can't ask the speaker why he did this, but I did phone a member of that congregation today who told me that the speaker had told her that he had given that impression to make people take notice.

I looked on the Watchtower CD under United Nations Charter and found an article in Watchtower 1995 October 1st page 3 where he may have got the idea from as the article contained some of the words, or similar expressions, that he had used. One of these was "notable efforts" which is similar to what I thought I'd heard as "noble sentiments".

I was puzzled by the the fact that (as we assumed) the GB wanted the charter to be read and the lack of criticism of the UN in the talk and so that was why I posted the topic.

Hope this clears up the confusion I've caused for some of you.

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2010 - Year of the Governing Body?

by lepermessiah in

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friends

let me explain by what i am getting at without sounding like captain obvious!

i am actually excited about this since i think this could help assist a ton of people out of this organization!!.

i believe that the governing body is stepping up efforts to emphasize their unconditional rulership - every wt study article seems to make reference to their authority.

Life is now

Why would Jehovah direct an organisation to have a group of men voting and then spirit-direct them to a unanimous decision? Sounds like the height of stupidity to me. What a waste of men's time and energy. If God is going to direct them all to the same decision why not just direct one man in the first place.

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UNITED NATIONS CHARTER read in all congregations at beginning of SPECIAL TALK

by Life is now in

then 1 thessalonians 5 read about 'peace and security'.

the speakers instructed not to embellish the statements.. 'noble sentiments' was mentioned about the un charter but no criticism.. followed by the need for god's kingdom.. it sounded more like an advert for the un to me.

did anyone else hear it?

Life is now

Thanks everyone for clearing that up.

Thanks yknot, I couldn't get the download, but the note to the speaker makes it clearer.

Yes sherah, I am not sure what the speaker I heard was trying to do here.

I really thought the GB had taken complete and utter leave of their senses this time.

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UNITED NATIONS CHARTER read in all congregations at beginning of SPECIAL TALK

by Life is now in

then 1 thessalonians 5 read about 'peace and security'.

the speakers instructed not to embellish the statements.. 'noble sentiments' was mentioned about the un charter but no criticism.. followed by the need for god's kingdom.. it sounded more like an advert for the un to me.

did anyone else hear it?

Life is now

Yes Blondie this is definitely what was read out:

PREAMBLE

WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED

to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and
to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and
to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and
to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

AND FOR THESE ENDS

to practice tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbours, and
to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security, and
to ensure, by the acceptance of principles and the institution of methods, that armed force shall not be used, save in the common interest, and
to employ international machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all peoples,

I have a short-term memory problem. I know for sure all the above including the highlighted sentence was read out, but don't remember that last sentence.

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UNITED NATIONS CHARTER read in all congregations at beginning of SPECIAL TALK

by Life is now in

then 1 thessalonians 5 read about 'peace and security'.

the speakers instructed not to embellish the statements.. 'noble sentiments' was mentioned about the un charter but no criticism.. followed by the need for god's kingdom.. it sounded more like an advert for the un to me.

did anyone else hear it?

Life is now

LOL Cantleave, I was thinking I don't think I can stomach another special talk, but I decided to listen in. I have not long learned about the WT NGO status and had mentioned it to a couple of JW's last week and was met with disbelief. So I am glad I listened in now and am interested to see what their reaction will be. I am just dropping hints in now and again to get them thinking. I have family in I don't want to lose, so I am playing it careful at the moment.

Yes Aude Sapere, I am still very shocked about it. Having been involved in giving such strong talks about it years ago, and in the ministry. It is taking some getting used to this hypocrisy.

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UNITED NATIONS CHARTER read in all congregations at beginning of SPECIAL TALK

by Life is now in

then 1 thessalonians 5 read about 'peace and security'.

the speakers instructed not to embellish the statements.. 'noble sentiments' was mentioned about the un charter but no criticism.. followed by the need for god's kingdom.. it sounded more like an advert for the un to me.

did anyone else hear it?

Life is now

Then 1 Thessalonians 5 read about 'Peace and security'. The speakers instructed not to embellish the statements.

'Noble sentiments' was mentioned about the UN charter but no criticism.

Followed by the need for God's Kingdom.

It sounded more like an advert for the UN to me. Did anyone else hear it? What did you think? What could the UN have agreed to for the WTBTS to do this?

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Holy spirit reveals stuff through GB--July 15, 2010 WT

by sd-7 in

july 15, 2010 wt page 22, 23:.

would all anointed christians shine?.

in a sense, yes, for all christians would participate.

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Watchtower 1975 1st November p 672 Graduates of Gilead...

Addressing the graduates, F. W. Franz showed why they were not being sent by any ecclesiastical body such as exists in the churches of Christendom. According to the Scriptures, neither Philip nor the apostle Paul, two outstanding evangelizers or missionaries in the first century C.E., received missionary assignments from the apostolic body at Jerusalem. Both men did their work under the direction of the real head of the Christian congregation, Jesus Christ. Paul had, in fact, been directly chosen by Jesus as an apostle to the nations. Later, at the direction of God’s spirit, Paul and his companion Barnabas were sent out from the Antioch congregation. Both men recognized their assignment as having come, not from men, but from Jesus Christ. The missionaries trained at Gilead School can also be confident of Christ’s backing and direction.

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SPECIAL for newbies! Osculate Hank's gluteus!

by Nathan Natas in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdp7pkecjvq.

Life is now

Thanks for that.

We were all such fools.

It's good we can laugh at ourselves though.

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I read CofC this week on holiday...life changing stuff!

by Lozhasleft in

hi everyone...thank you for all your well wishes for my scottish hols...it was nice..warm dry weather...lovely scenery...a good rest... what i will remember the most about the holiday is that i read ray franz's book there...in fact i struggled to put it down.

it was so revealing and informative but was also written without bitterness or malice.

it stirred many emotions within me ...too many probably...anger, remorse, indignation, sorrow, heartbreak, frustration, sympathy....you name it.... a big emotional journey for me....thanks to all for the recommend i would hate to have missed it..... loz x.

Life is now

I've read Crisis of Conscience this week too. I downloaded it from Commentary Press.

It's a life saver.

Definitely no going back now.